Bishop Doran (Rockford, Illinois) has written an article about the left. Read it.
"The seven 'sacraments' of their secular culture are abortion, buggery, contraception, divorce, euthanasia, feminism of the radical type, and genetic experimentation and mutilation. These things they unabashedly espouse, profess and promote. Their continuance in public office is a clear and present danger to our survival as a nation."
My only comment here is that he forgot multiculturalism.
Feminism of the radical type? Meaning what pray tell? Lesbian wiccanism. Contraception eh? Buggery I'll look that up at wikipedia. And lastly mulitculturalism.
ReplyDeleteLook you can paint me a million ways with very broad words like Euthanasia, divorce (despite the fact it affects 50% of the population and it is not all liberal). It doesn't change the fact that its just name calling. I could call conservatives Racist Greedy, mysoginists, whose reading ability does not allow for their claimed biblical knowledge. What does it mean? Nothing because you'd dispute it with cold hard facts just like I can refute everything said there.
I am curious what about multiculturalism bothers you because some of it bugs me and other parts of it I think need to be brought more to bear. Example:
Problem 1: post-modern ethics whereby there is no write or wrong.
Use 1: Using other cultural examples to show how we value indivdiduality over the health of the group. Extended families, clans, tribes that kind of thing.
Well I pray for those poor souls like Doran who seem to not quite comprehend all they are saying.
The worst aspect of multiculturalism is the moral relativism ("Problem 1"). There is also the hypocrisy involved: only the cultures that help the desired agenda are examined. Oddly enough, the Greek and Roman cultures, te Hebrew culture, the historical culture of Christian Europe, these are never studied or lauded by multiculturalists (save where they may contradict those things that conservatives, particularly Christian conservatives, value).s
ReplyDeleteFeminism of the radical type is the abortion-on-demand, payed for by taxpayers' dolars, militant anti-male (ass opposed to pro-female) feminist movement seen most often on college campuses.
Divorce-- yes, it affects a lot of people today, but it is at it's heart a liberal issue (tied to the liberals who were proponents of the sexual revolution). It was not the conservatives who demanded a no-fault divorce.
Doran knows exactly what he is saying here. As a general rule, and thus as a main thrust, modern liberalism values and emanintizes these things. There are certainly some old liberals who disapprove of some. most, or possibly even all of these things, both in the abstract and in practice, but the thrust of modern liberalism, when viewed as a whole by the consequences of its actions and philosophy on society, has been exactly as said here by Bishop Doran.
Really Greek and Roman culture is never analyzed I see it used quite repeatedly? Especially in terms of homosexuality. The hebrews were for that matter are a very small culture thats ultimate claim to faim is Judaism, which is only so important because Christianity is really what makes it even applicable. Christian europe is where we come from, its not examined because its the traditional argument.
ReplyDeleteWhat cultures are used as an example. You don't see obese people holding pacific islanders as examples of why its good to be sickly overweight. I don't see a whole lot of comparative analysis done between two cultures. I see two strains of Western thought going head to head and exploiting its own historical points. Hence moral relativism that is usually only associated with people who really don' exactly engage in moral discussions.
Also as I've said before, a morality for the entire U.S. that is upheld by the vast majority will never exist and has never existed. From slavery, to the debauchery that was the west morality has proven to be at best loosely held together to as maleable as Gold.
Divorce is not nor has it ever been a "liberal problem," its an everywhere problem with explanations that range from the anthropological to the cultural. Since it cuts across every barrier in social and class culture it cannot be labeled anybodys problem. Evangelical Christians have the same divorce rate as people that get high on their wedding night. Its been broken down into the tiniest groups (over 50 couples with 2 kids and 5-8 grandkids who are Republican and living in Arizona) so its not just one side has a problem. What we do know is that the 2nd go around succeed more than the first. And that men and women basically cheat as often as each other.
Feminists ah I see abortion, on-demand. Ok take that issue away, because its about the only thing that makes them stand out to me. Beyond that they are relatively normal18-25 year old women, who at least you know you won't see in some scandalous video. As to anti-male. You don't talk to those girls much do you? Piece of advice single women of any age do not hate men who are not morons regardless of political standings, personal beliefs, treat them with respect even lesbians don't sound so different. As long as you don't sound like an ass (from beer guzzling, to saying there place is in the kitchen) and you won't be treated like one.
You just failed to read my reply all the way through. Note the qualifiers on my statement about Greek nad Roman cultures being analyzed. Ditto for divorce. Eveangelical Christians have a higher marriage rate, and therefore a higher divorce rate. Your statement is close, but incorrect.
ReplyDeleteFinally, the support of a majority is not necessary for a transcendant moral order to exist. That's why it's transcendent.
I've dealt with feminists on a regular basis, usually in the contect of the abortion debate, though also as a student senator and in other (informal) capacities. I'm writing what I and my close friends have experienced and observed.
Higher has nothing to do with it the point is very simple. Divorce is not a liberal issue and only a liberal issue. The very people who want to see divorce rates fall on par suffer divorce just as much as everybody else. So its everybody's problem. I'm inclined to think that since divorce is already a difficult process making it more complicated will only cause pain and suffering and in the end effect little change. By the way percentiles is what I meant not divorce rates. Its still 50% regardless of your beliefs.
ReplyDeleteRefer back to Christian Europe as the baseline. Well ancient history is where most of Christian Europe's ideas came from. There fore it is the baseline that is understood by all. What? You want them to debate proverbial wisdom? I don't particularly like Zinn, I especially loathe Chomsky. But they do share the common perception of Eleutheria (freedom). Which I have seen lauded and demonized on both sides of the aisle.
The consistent failure of Christianity to understand plurality has, is, and will continue to handicap our ability to effectively deal with others. I.E. our high-minded but reality-less endeavor in Iraq. In short morality should be approached from the societal stand points of what is right? what is fair? and what will actually happen? It won't be perfect, therefore lamenting its imperfection is a demonstration of self-righteous behavior that leads to resentment and conflict over things that will never be solved.